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8 comments | Friday, March 31, 2006

Read this article on the web.I agree to whats written in this article to every single alphabet. Something which I always wanted to write in my blog.

8 Comments:

Blogger Jo said...

Thanks for the link Harish.

Its a shame really. But at the same time, its the duty of people from other castes and religions to practise Carnatic and other traditional music forms. That is the only way to get over this.

And at the same time I heard learning Hindustani is always a lot more helpful than Carnatic for a singer, to shape up his voice.

8:03 PM

 
Blogger Narayanan Venkitu said...

Harish,
Looks like we have to sign up and wait which I've done.
I'll read it and write again.
Thank you

9:48 AM

 
Blogger Harish Sivaramakrishnan said...

Jo & Narayanan sir:

Its extremely heartening to see that you folks are still hitting my space. My blogging is going through a lean phase, thanks to my ill health and some busy times at work!

11:09 AM

 
Blogger .:: Rosh ::. said...

Couldnt check the link coz it requires an account there, since the post is related to music there is enough motivation to take an account :)
get well soon..cant wish for 'less work', hope you'll find time to post some songs.

6:00 PM

 
Blogger Meera Manohar said...

Extremely regrettable to see the state of affairs per se..

I hope things change, the "core" realising what it is we are sorely missing in the process!

9:48 AM

 
Blogger Krishna said...

To say that "the Trinity were a backlash against the egalitarian" is something i wont accept.

We need to understand that the Trinity were saints and then musicians, their primary focus was their religion and we need to respect that. For them music was the medium to reach the ultimate: a mode of religious expression and we are blessed that they chose carnatic music !!

Having said that i agree to other things mentioned in the article.

I would say the fault lies on both the sides .. the brahmin carnatic musicians should have embraced interested people from other communities and as Jo pointed out the other communities should have played some part !!

Why wasnt there a Christian priest or a Muslim saint composing keerthanais of equal standards to a "Sarojadala nethri" or "Rama Nee Samanamevaru" ?. Is it because there were no talented people in those societies ? Or is it because carnatic music doesnt give enough scope to compose songs on other gods ? The answers to both the questions are "NO" .. Nobody tried !!!!! Or the answer i would get is that "They were afraid it wont be accepted" .. accepted by whom ? by the brahmin community ?? or by their own community ??

Also, the northern part of India was heavily influenced by other cultures and religions than the South. This is another strong point as to why Hindustani genre is practised by a much wider community. In other words "historically" carnatic music was not exposed to wider community.

And whether people agree or not carnatic music is the most complete and refined form of melody based music and sometimes this completeness 'backfires' on it and tends to make it quite a complex system to practice and appreciate .. what i mean is - there is always a less number of people interested in Abstract Mathematics or Theoretical Physics :)

Its upto our generation to break these things and project carnatic music to the world (without defiling its inherent characterstics) a la L Subramanium !!

PS: Harish waiting for ur next song release !!

Cheers
Krishna

6:16 PM

 
Blogger Jo said...

@Krishna --

Why wasnt there a Christian priest or a Muslim saint composing keerthanais of equal standards to a "Sarojadala nethri" or "Rama Nee Samanamevaru" ?. Is it because there were no talented people in those societies ? Or is it because carnatic music doesnt give enough scope to compose songs on other gods ? The answers to both the questions are "NO" .. Nobody tried !!!!!

I would like to draw your attention to Fr. Paul Poovathingal, a Catholic priest from my district who runs an academy for Indian performing arts including Carnatic, Bharathanatyam and eastern instrumentals. He has a Masters and PhD in Carnatic music and his "arangettam" was in the prestigious Madras Music Academy. When there were musicians like T. N. Krishnan. Yesudas, Sikkil sisters etc were present. He even performed a Katcheri in a temple in Kottayam, but he said he had to go through a lot of phases in learning Carnatic. From both communities. In an interview I had with him, he mentioned that there were Christian musicians like Mosa valsala saasthrikal, Sebastian kunju kunju bhaagavathar etc from 18th century onwards . I wonder why those names were never heard!!

Also he has composed his own krithis too. You can hear one of his compositions in this interview.

What I mentioned about the Hindustani music was I heard from from some expert musician/researcher in Chennai (dont want to mention her name here, as I dont know if she would like that) and the singers like Gayathri mentioned the same too.

Nice to have a discussion on music here. :-)

11:31 PM

 
Blogger Krishna said...

Wow !! it was really heartening to read those interviews . I couldnt understand most part of the audio interview, but he has the dedication and an amazing voice. And i dont have answers as to why 18th century christian musicians are unheard of. It is sad that we are unaware of so many great musicians ! We might have lost a lot :(

And on Hindustani music and as to why "i think" certain people recommend Hindustani music :

Hindustani music emphasizes much more on "Sruti" than carnatic music. They have a 'voice culture' embedded in their training. Most people would agree that the hindustani vocalist's voice range in most cases is better than that of a carnatic musician. It is more easy to learn and practice (You dont have to handle complex gamakas, talas etc..). People who would like to sing semi-classical can get off by practising Hindustani music.

Now, why does carnatic music doesnt emphasize on vocal training ? I would say it depends on the guru . The whole concept of Alankaarams, Thathu varisais are for this same purpose.

A kid who is taking carnatic lessons in most cases is not taught this. If we practice alankaarams and Thaatu Varisais in major raagas in three speeds the voice would really become amazingly tuned !!

This is not something i am sayin. This has been said and taught by one of the greatest singers TN Seshagopalan.

I wonder why a music researcher is not advocating Carnatic Music 'cos having the knowledge of carnatic concepts and gamakas is certainly a major plus point for any musician practising any music. Also with a carnatic base it becomes easy to assimilate other music concepts.

Finally, We need to take the nicer aspects on different music genres and keep upgrading/bettering ourselves ! This separates the greatest from the best - eg: Hariharan !

Cheers
Krishna

11:20 AM

 

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